Weekly Claw · episode 30

18 Sept 2026

Narrow Models Win, Typed Decisions, Union Alpha, Signal From Outside

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What this episode covers

  • Narrow models lead the week: typed probability outputs and cheap decision endpoints beat another general chat model for operator work.
  • Union Alpha appears as a free 256K-context stealth model on OpenRouter and becomes the access story of the episode.
  • Qwen and PrismML merge into a practical omni/flash lane while Apple’s Siri AI beta and Google Home MCP open the assistant into the home.
  • Signal From Outside covers boring good news already working in the field, from medical and sensory aids to storm forecasting.
  • The closing debate asks who pays for an independent safety umpire when commitments are not controls.

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  1. Here are three places where it's already

  2. happening. Each one has the same pieces

  3. we build with every week, right? Inputs,

  4. model, action, and a human who makes the

  5. call.

  6. Let's fix now. Um, I think it was a

  7. it was a good week. It was like a it was

  8. a humanpace week, right? It wasn't

  9. crazy. Um, I like it. I actually like

  10. this week a lot. Um

  11. especially because of the kind like the

  12. company that came out of stealth with

  13. the product that was like really good.

  14. Um

  15. so I think it was a really good week. Um

  16. I think I was productive. Um I mean last

  17. week I was saying I wasn't wasn't as

  18. wasn't as productive as I would have

  19. wanted to be. I think this week I was as

  20. as as um it was this week is definitely

  21. much better. Um so I think an AI land is

  22. a really good week. It wasn't too fast.

  23. Um, not a ton happened. Um,

  24. [clears throat] or maybe a ton happened,

  25. but it's just that we've gotten so

  26. desensitized to to to all the um all the

  27. things happening.

  28. >> Yeah. Right. Launched

  29. >> and Yeah. It wasn't a big week. Like, it

  30. might just be changing the history of

  31. mankind, but it also might not be a big

  32. deal. We'll we'll see.

  33. >> Yeah.

  34. Yeah. Oh, God.

  35. >> Love it. Well, good.

  36. Well, welcome back to the Weekly Claw

  37. episode 30. Here we are. Um, Agentic AI

  38. continues to um amaze and astound

  39. even in a slow week.

  40. You know, there's still some pretty

  41. exciting stuff. Um, some applied AA

  42. product lab

  43. products. Uh,

  44. we've got

  45. I Yeah, I mean there's news and there's

  46. is I I'm going to try something this

  47. week with the signal from the outside.

  48. Um, instead of just reviewing sort of

  49. one video,

  50. um, I kind of came up with a theme and I

  51. put some pieces together from a few. So,

  52. I hope that's enjoyable. We've got kind

  53. of a shorter show today, but um, I think

  54. you'll enjoy it. So, we'll try not to

  55. waste any time.

  56. Uh we've got type safe obviously. Um Jev

  57. is bringing some big changes to uh I

  58. think pretty much everything. I think

  59. people are going to try to squirt it all

  60. over the inside of their carry out bag

  61. um and add more dev. Um

  62. Apple bringing Siri

  63. license from Google. That's exciting.

  64. Uh Mozilla is going to let you pick a

  65. model. Yeah. So, I mean I we don't need

  66. to overview all of it, but um it should

  67. be a a decent episode. You have anything

  68. you want to say before we get started?

  69. >> All right. Well, before before we do,

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  78. Right

  79. >> there you are.

  80. >> There we go.

  81. >> All right. All right. Um, so yeah. So

  82. guys, I mean, it's not, like I said, it

  83. wasn't a I mean, a lot happened. Um, but

  84. we try to just like select the most

  85. impactful. I mean, there's always a lot

  86. happening and we're pretty much in a

  87. singularity. um the piece of the piece

  88. is always like incredible. So there's

  89. always a lot a lot happening. Um but I

  90. selected the most like impactful news.

  91. Um I mean I don't think I have it on the

  92. slide but I mean I mention it I mean

  93. towards the end of last week um there

  94. was this scare about you know the

  95. anthropic exanthropic employee that when

  96. AI is going to kill all of us. I think

  97. we talked a little bit about it last

  98. week. And then in the weekend on Sunday,

  99. Dario writes uh again one of his long um

  100. articles to say, "Hey, let's let's pace

  101. the frontier um and let's um

  102. um let's add human let's add third party

  103. evaluators to to each [snorts] like

  104. company." Um so that happened that's on

  105. the slide because I mean um you know so

  106. that happened and then obviously that

  107. led to kind of like a lot of things. I

  108. mean this is sort of like what will I

  109. call it? It's it's not really kind of

  110. like an event. A lot happened. Elon's

  111. like yes. Sam was like yes let's do it.

  112. Um De was like yes I agree. Um Zach was

  113. like nope I don't agree. Um the

  114. president was like nope. Geeks I'm not

  115. slowing you guys down. China is like at

  116. our heels viewed on um and then there's

  117. like all this like um

  118. um back and forth different camps we

  119. want you to regulate we don't want to

  120. you regulate um I guess we're going to

  121. talk a little bit about it and and

  122. signals from outside but yeah so a lot

  123. happened um there are a couple of yeah

  124. conferences obviously AI themed there's

  125. all there's all in summit there's the

  126. Salesforce

  127. um Dreamforce and they're all AI themed

  128. and there's so

  129. interviews and so much content. Um,

  130. obviously Andy is going to kind like

  131. talk a little bit about that. So like

  132. again I didn't put those things on the

  133. slide but there's a lot that happened in

  134. that. So like theme

  135. um so the most impactful what I think is

  136. the most impactful news from like this

  137. week

  138. um is obviously Jev um from type safe.

  139. Um so Typescafe is again an exopai

  140. um executive

  141. um

  142. he was the co-founder of charg as they

  143. like to say um or he likes to say um and

  144. he is no sort of like the kind like

  145. founder or co-founder of hlf which is

  146. like this um

  147. this process for kind like training

  148. models or doing post training

  149. um And so he's come up with you know and

  150. this isn't new just that he's launched

  151. and so we're hearing about it today uh

  152. well not this week but you know he's had

  153. this company called type safe I actually

  154. watched a video that he did like a few

  155. months ago at AI engineer summit and

  156. he's basically talking about this idea

  157. right so every basically what they've

  158. launched he talked about it months ago

  159. I'm sure he's been talking about it for

  160. a while but until people see the product

  161. they don't typically kind like grock all

  162. this concept so he's been talking about

  163. it for a

  164. um which is what he calls an RHCD

  165. something like that um reinforcement

  166. learning

  167. um decision something decisions right so

  168. he's basically launched a model that

  169. isn't necessarally a large language

  170. model or even if it is a large language

  171. model it doesn't generate text um it

  172. does u it generates decisions right and

  173. so I watched his video and and is going

  174. to play the launch video for us and

  175. maybe you should play that video before

  176. I like and te te tease out like some of

  177. his ideas a little bit. [clears throat]

  178. >> Sure, let's do that.

  179. >> I'm Diego Almeida, founder of Types Safe

  180. AI and at OpenAI, I co-created Chat GBT

  181. and RHF, the post training algorithm

  182. behind most frontier AI. Our team

  183. trained the first models to be

  184. superhuman at instruction following,

  185. [music] what we now call chat. And we

  186. asked ourselves, are models that are

  187. superhuman at chat AGI? The answer was

  188. obviously not, but the trillion dollar

  189. question is why not? RHF has led to LMS

  190. that are optimized for human preferences

  191. and include issues such as mode

  192. dropping, overconfidence, and an overall

  193. lack of reliability. These flaws mean

  194. that LMs require humans in the loop, and

  195. almost no true automation can be done.

  196. At Typesafe, we've spent two years

  197. building in stealth and we're finally

  198. ready to share our new type of

  199. foundation model that's optimized for

  200. automation. System one models with a new

  201. architecture, new sampler, and new

  202. training algorithm reinforces learning

  203. for calibrated decisions. The

  204. improvements are clear if you see them

  205. side by side. Ask a system one model a

  206. ton of structured questions just like

  207. you would an LM. [music] Get the answers

  208. back near instantly. Meanwhile, LMS take

  209. hundreds of times longer to finish

  210. responding. Look at how the LM generates

  211. sequentially, which is great for a

  212. natural conversation, but totally

  213. useless for computers. LLMs extract

  214. intelligence from the tiny straw of auto

  215. regression. And similar to the jump that

  216. transformers made over RNN's, we are

  217. replacing sequential computation with

  218. parallel because that [music] is

  219. obviously the future. Our system one

  220. models output decisions with

  221. probabilities and confidence instead of

  222. words. And they can't hallucinate.

  223. They're a lot more like code. Reliable,

  224. [music] fast, self-consistent, and type

  225. safe. This opens up a whole new world of

  226. possibilities and applications. Today,

  227. we're releasing [music] Jet, the first

  228. public system 1 model. It's 100 times

  229. faster, so realtime AI is finally

  230. possible. 100 times cheaper with input

  231. tokens priced at $42 per billion tokens.

  232. and Alpha tokens are free because

  233. they're finally too cheap to

  234. meter. Jev is super smart and its

  235. intelligence per dollar is literally off

  236. the charts. This is just the beginning.

  237. We're excited to see what you build with

  238. Jeb. As we say it at Safe, we're

  239. building prod, not God.

  240. >> Yeah, super exciting, right? Um,

  241. so I'm not sure how many of us have been

  242. have started using this model um from

  243. the psychic community, the guys watching

  244. us live. Um, let us know in the chat if

  245. you've if you've really started using

  246. the the model. Um, but it is um it is

  247. incredible, right? Um, Andy has started

  248. using it. Maybe you talk talk to us a

  249. little bit about it when I'm done

  250. recapping a little bit. I have I haven't

  251. started. And I mean I I've used I got

  252. access I got access through Versel AI

  253. gateway. Um but I [clears throat] guess

  254. like the like the most impactful from

  255. his video that he did on an AI engineer.

  256. He's talking about how the reason he

  257. wanted to do this company

  258. um [clears throat] uh was that he always

  259. like had this dream or what we were so

  260. this this dream of like software being

  261. like in like super intelligent and super

  262. smart. Uh but with LLM software isn't

  263. necessarily intelligent or smart. We're

  264. building software faster but the

  265. software itself isn't as intelligent

  266. right um there are very few people who

  267. are embedding LLMs into their software

  268. even the ones who are I mean it's it's

  269. so expensive that it's at scale is still

  270. not really reliable to be embedded like

  271. in almost everywhere so he's so like

  272. vision is to have an AI model that can

  273. be reliably embedded across all stacks

  274. of software and it just makes the

  275. software smarter and you can think about

  276. and it's almost

  277. um which is what they've basically done.

  278. Um what else is valuable to mention?

  279. I think that's pretty much it. Um so

  280. it's a great model. Um there's been lots

  281. of videos. I've been watching lots of

  282. demos. People have been building like

  283. compaction which is one of the things

  284. and he tried um browser use is like off

  285. the charts.

  286. Um the the every guy every team did a

  287. very long article um of very different

  288. use cases. Um, and it's just incredible.

  289. It's just an incredible model. Um, and

  290. so just to recap for it, I am very

  291. excited about this. Um, and I'm hoping

  292. that, um, for instance, the last the

  293. last phrase, um, or the last like

  294. tagline they have, we're building

  295. Prague, not God. Um, is again coming

  296. from all the drama that happened in the

  297. weekend and last week. Um, the frontier

  298. models are sort of like drama queens at

  299. this moment. Hey, we're going to kill

  300. everybody um because we're building this

  301. thing and we don't know how to stop. Um

  302. and it's so like right? And

  303. I'm glad that a company like this showed

  304. up the next week because this isn't a

  305. high-risk model at all and it pretty

  306. much takes over almost 50% of all the

  307. use cases that anybody would want to do.

  308. And so I expect this to take like market

  309. share from the LLMs from the kind like

  310. frontiers. I mean it's not a frontier.

  311. It's not a it's not a proper LLM. You're

  312. not going to chat with it. you're not

  313. going to generate review with it. Um,

  314. but you can start to do very interesting

  315. classifying work, decisioning

  316. [clears throat]

  317. um and and my kind like companies have

  318. already sent to the engineering team

  319. like hey let's start deploying this

  320. thing um immediately. So I hope that

  321. this takes a ton of market share from

  322. from select the existing companies. Um

  323. because then it deflates the ego, right?

  324. Cuz there's a lot of ego right now

  325. around like we're beating God and we're

  326. beating this thing is going to kill

  327. everyone. But to be honest, man, if

  328. there's no economic economic value in

  329. beating AGI, no one is going to beat it,

  330. right? So if if we've got a model like

  331. Jeff that is almost free and can do half

  332. of what um the models that all the guys

  333. beating AGI trying to build then um I

  334. think the industry will be a lot safer.

  335. So that's that's why I'm super excited

  336. about it. So I hope that pans up. But

  337. Andy I'll let you respond and I'll run

  338. through the rest.

  339. >> Yeah. No, I mean you put your finger on

  340. it, right? A lot of industrial use for

  341. language model is essentially theory

  342. rigging the language models to produce

  343. structured output to get at the very

  344. things that Jev produces natively. Um

  345. the number one spend on my portfolio is

  346. running call transcripts through um call

  347. categorization routines and then

  348. depending on the category of the call um

  349. deterministic scoring. I mean, it's it's

  350. it's inferistic deterministic scoring.

  351. And you know, Jev can probably do it.

  352. We're we're we're almost entirely sure

  353. we can take the scorecard for the call

  354. with the transcript and then just

  355. literally use the probabilities if we if

  356. we were if we word the questionnaire

  357. questions, right? Like this service

  358. advisor

  359. said the name of the company in their

  360. briefing. Like probability 98% because

  361. they said it. probability 2% because

  362. they didn't and you know literally use

  363. that as our scoring. Um it's going to

  364. save us at production across

  365. uh 350

  366. you know sort of paying customers on a

  367. particular platform

  368. maybe $2500 a month just right off the

  369. bat right so we're testing it as quickly

  370. as we can um I think there's a great

  371. opportunity I compaction is an

  372. interesting it's going to need to be

  373. part of compaction it it can't do all of

  374. compaction And um the implementation

  375. that I tried was sort of halfbaked and

  376. it it tried to replace the compaction

  377. layer without any summaries and um I

  378. think if it were used to protect the

  379. work of a compaction layer uh it would

  380. be very effective but I don't think it

  381. can just replace it.

  382. Um and then the other piece of course

  383. we're all playing with is trying to use

  384. it to route requests to the right model

  385. based on the request. um you know what's

  386. the probability that this um request can

  387. be handled by this model with these

  388. capabilities

  389. um you know without making mistakes

  390. right 30% 40% 80% well now we we know

  391. which model to use for this request and

  392. then if it's a simple one it'll you know

  393. we'll get a a cheaper model so anyway

  394. model routing and um categorization just

  395. out of the box very excited to see

  396. browser use Um, you know, excited to see

  397. OpenClaw, the G OpenClaw community, the

  398. Hermes community, they're all going to

  399. build, you know, browser use plugins

  400. that leverage it. It's going to be a

  401. major component in all of these

  402. harnesses before long.

  403. >> Yeah, it's incredible. Um, obviously, I

  404. expect, yeah, like I said, it's not

  405. going to be a replacement for for like

  406. LLMs. Um but it is um I I expect and I

  407. wrote a tweet about this. I expect that

  408. the other companies will eventually

  409. launch something. Obviously China will

  410. launch something super soon. Um this is

  411. a totally new use case um or totally new

  412. like form factor. So I expect the the

  413. frontier model companies to also launch

  414. their own version just so that it can

  415. keep customers from turnurning off their

  416. platforms. Um, but it's so cheap, right,

  417. that even if they launched equivalent

  418. like products, they would have to like

  419. match the same price and this price is

  420. just like just eats their launch. Um, so

  421. it's exciting. So again, um, this is the

  422. biggest news um, in my [clears throat]

  423. books for the week

  424. or in my book for the week. Um, another

  425. interesting thing that happened, I mean,

  426. it started earlier in the week, um, was

  427. that, uh, a stealth model showed up in a

  428. few of the model market places called

  429. Union Alpha. Um, Union Alpha was pretty

  430. good. Um, was a 26 262K kind of context

  431. um, model. It was is multimodal. Uh,

  432. it's pretty good, right? Um and I think

  433. in a in a in 2 days or so um the like

  434. community or kind like the world really

  435. spent something coming close to like um

  436. um was it like now [clears throat] it's

  437. like 100 billion in the first day and

  438. then I think it's closer to like 600 700

  439. billion something um tokens. I think it

  440. was close to 1 trillion tokens really in

  441. the two or three days that it was on.

  442. It's off. It's It's off now. It went off

  443. like yesterday. I was trying to use it.

  444. I used it for a couple of days. It was

  445. pretty good. Um it was pretty good. Um

  446. from the demos, um Andy, I'm not sure if

  447. you used it at all, but from the demos I

  448. was seeing is you didn't use it. Okay.

  449. From the demos was um it was really

  450. good. It was pretty good. I I put it I

  451. put it to work. I mean, obviously

  452. because of rate limits, I couldn't

  453. really benchmark it properly. Um but it

  454. was really fast. Um I could, you know,

  455. maybe stream like north of like 100

  456. tokens per second or something even like

  457. double that. It was pretty good.

  458. >> Real fast.

  459. >> Um, yeah, it was really fast and it

  460. worked. I mean, obviously see for free

  461. models, um, you get really limited. It

  462. wasn't very reliable, but it was really

  463. good. Um, and so [clears throat] the

  464. word on the street, um, and obviously

  465. when the ST models show up, people sort

  466. of like start to kind like um, you know,

  467. throw out their their theories around

  468. which company owns the model. Um, so

  469. they think this model is is an open air

  470. model. They think this is probably GPT6.

  471. Um yeah.

  472. >> Oh.

  473. >> Um so I mean obviously people know how

  474. they kind of like people know how to

  475. like find the things by like comparing

  476. the quality of the work he does like

  477. other. So yeah people were also doing 3D

  478. um you know 3D games and stuff with it

  479. and and it was lacking a lot of soul and

  480. we know that OpenAI most likely will

  481. launch um GPT6 soul um at their death

  482. day next week or something like that. Um

  483. so yeah so um um fingers crossed we'll

  484. find out um what model it is hopefully

  485. next week or on the week week after that

  486. um and then the model launching um model

  487. launching kind like news um two other

  488. models dropped this week um Prism ML

  489. launched there again the Bonsai guys um

  490. um they typically would fine-tune the

  491. queen model the queen models um and so

  492. each time there's a new queen model

  493. you'd expect that they would launch

  494. their and it's like fine tune of that.

  495. Um and [clears throat] so the the

  496. finetune for the 3.827B A27B model came

  497. out um which is what they call the

  498. Bonsai

  499. um you know 22 27B right? Yeah, 227B.

  500. >> Um, which again you can kind like see on

  501. there.

  502. >> Um, it is it's like a two bit model. Um,

  503. right. It's 262 um K of context. Um, and

  504. then they released um it's Apache

  505. license. There's a GGUF and MLX and then

  506. a CUDA. Um, and and so I mean the the

  507. exciting thing about this, why am I

  508. telling you about this, right? And I

  509. mean, obviously, if you guys um if you

  510. watch the show, you would remember that

  511. um one of the models that I've been the

  512. model that I've been the most excited

  513. about this year has been the Quinn

  514. 3.827B. Um because it's a really small

  515. model, it can fit into most laptops. Um

  516. and then it comes with like pretty much

  517. like Opus 4.8

  518. kind of like quality, right? And

  519. >> it's real good.

  520. >> Yeah. I mean, Andy uses it, you know,

  521. sometimes. Andy's is is off to Bonsai

  522. now. So maybe he's also uh a good person

  523. to talk to us about what the experience

  524. has been so far. Um I haven't set it up.

  525. I'm I'm benchmarking it at the moment.

  526. So I don't have it live. But obviously

  527. what is exciting about it is um this is

  528. a quantized version of that model. So

  529. it's a two-bit model. Um the 27B is

  530. obviously something in the universe of

  531. 27 billion. Um

  532. um but this is five, right? It's it's

  533. it's really small. It's like nine times

  534. smaller than a typical model, right? Um,

  535. and there's almost no loss in in quality

  536. or performance. It's like a 2% loss in

  537. setting benchmarks, but it's it's it's

  538. almost exactly as as um the model that's

  539. nine times its size. Go ahead, Andy.

  540. >> No, I I mean, I just I just have to

  541. point out, right, it's it's 98% as good

  542. as Quen 3.827B, 28 27B and it's nine

  543. times faster and it uses like um I

  544. benchmarked it on just just you know

  545. real high-speed low drag tests um an M2

  546. Pro uh Mac uh Mac Mini and an M4 Max

  547. um MacBook Pro and it absolutely rips.

  548. It's very fast. Um I did benchmark it.

  549. You'll be interested to know Henry

  550. against Ornith 1.5 which you know I'm

  551. very excited about 35B model came out

  552. about maybe 3 weeks ago and um it ornith

  553. outperformed it in coding and tool call

  554. tool calls but only barely. Um and the

  555. performance is excellent.

  556. Um, Bonsai was doing 70 tokens per

  557. second on a MacBook Pro uh, M4 Max and

  558. maybe like mid 20s, 15 to 20, 25 tokens

  559. per second on an M2 Pro. So, it'll run

  560. on modest commodity hardware at usable

  561. speeds. It's smart. It writes good code,

  562. and it's small. It doesn't even take up

  563. a ton of your disc space. It's not like

  564. you're using tricks to load part of it

  565. from, you know, stream experts from SSD

  566. or anything. It's just all right there.

  567. And it loads on a 16 gig GPU. So that's

  568. what the 4060 470

  569. and up. U very fast, runs very fast on

  570. those. So any modest GPU and you've got

  571. a very powerful um model to run your

  572. agent

  573. >> um run a model. Um the models are

  574. getting good like this is this is um

  575. this is um 54 just 6 gigabyte so 16 gig

  576. should work um so

  577. >> um pretty much all right cool the other

  578. thing that happened was um was the queen

  579. guys launched a 3.8 Omni flash. And I

  580. mean again, why this is um why I guess

  581. this is interesting is we're starting to

  582. have um the model companies or the

  583. Chinese model companies now launch flash

  584. models. Um they all used to have two

  585. model classes. They would launch a pro

  586. model and then a flash model. And then

  587. the pro model would be like the the

  588. heavy hitter and then the flash would

  589. like be that's like lightweight. Um but

  590. we're starting to see that if that

  591. there's a merge coming where they just

  592. launch one model um that is pretty much

  593. like the best that they can, right? Um

  594. we're seeing this with Deep Seek. This

  595. Deep Seek the recent launch of like V um

  596. 4.1

  597. um you know it's called is it called

  598. Flash? I'm not sure that one has Flash

  599. in it. Did it have Flash in its name? I

  600. don't remember if it did. Yeah. Okay. Um

  601. so [clears throat] yeah so so we're kind

  602. like having this trend where we most

  603. likely soon would no longer see pro

  604. models from the Chinese. We just see one

  605. model which is again size of a typical

  606. flash model but with a performance of a

  607. pro model um which is what people want

  608. right people want like models they can

  609. run cheaply on their hardware that is

  610. frontier performance. Um so um so 3.8 um

  611. the last 3.8 8 model um that probably

  612. has this like benchmark so it's closer

  613. to the 3.8 Max um if you remember that

  614. was launched at the same time with

  615. 3.827B.

  616. So with the 3.0 or mini flash um we're

  617. pretty much getting again super like

  618. cool performance at like a slightly

  619. lower um size. Okay. So um I mean

  620. obviously there are a few other things

  621. that happened and like the open source

  622. community um but these two were things I

  623. thought were super important as like

  624. mentioned to you guys. Um um again

  625. obviously I don't have this video but I

  626. remember seeing a video I tried to find

  627. it ahead of the show but I couldn't find

  628. it. um was that I mean [clears throat] I

  629. have a few friends that are on the Apple

  630. better program or the MacBook better

  631. program or Mac [clears throat] OS better

  632. program and so they've been getting

  633. updates to um the new OS and they've

  634. been pretty excited. Um this week um I

  635. think it kind like came out as well that

  636. you know Siri is in better now. Siri AI

  637. um anybody

  638. everybody's kind like sees that Apple

  639. the bed a little bit with Siri,

  640. right? Siri was like the perfect form

  641. factor for like personal AI, right? It's

  642. like um

  643. >> had everything [clears throat] it

  644. needed.

  645. >> Correct. They had like billions of

  646. users. It's it's a mobile. It's on the

  647. PC. It already has the voice form

  648. factor. Um but but yeah, but but the the

  649. Mac the the Apple just didn't get it

  650. right. Right. Um [snorts] um but it

  651. looks like they might be um they might

  652. be coming back. Um who knows? Um so

  653. people who've been using Siri AI that so

  654. far I've been seeing they're very

  655. excited about it. It works really well.

  656. I'm not sure if anybody in kind of the

  657. live community has it or they're using

  658. it. Um if you are, please let us know.

  659. Um but yeah, but but you know, I haven't

  660. used it. Um I don't I don't use the

  661. better I don't I'm not subscribed to

  662. Apple's better program so I haven't

  663. tested it yet but I thought it was worth

  664. mentioning. Um if you also remember

  665. [clears throat] Apple partnered with

  666. Gemini or with Google last year and and

  667. you [clears throat] know their models um

  668. kind the the products will be powered by

  669. Gemini models um hosted on Apple

  670. infrastructure. So I'm expecting that

  671. that that that Siri AI will be powered

  672. by by Gemini collect model. Um, and

  673. Geminina has been pretty um I mean

  674. obviously that that leads us to like the

  675. um final like news on my docker. Gemini

  676. has been pretty um pretty good with with

  677. um voice models. Um there were a few

  678. voice models that came out this week. I

  679. don't have it on on the slides cuz they

  680. weren't as super important. Um but there

  681. is there are a few voice models um that

  682. they put out and they're pretty good and

  683. they're not as good as GPT live one from

  684. OpenAI but but they're they're pretty

  685. good.

  686. Um, and then finally, um, I I I I

  687. thought it was valuable to kind like

  688. mention the MCP, um, you [clears throat]

  689. know, the MCP access to their hardware.

  690. Um, um, because I I have a friend or I

  691. have a friend actually, yeah, that that

  692. wanted to,

  693. >> [clears throat]

  694. >> um, put agents in in his assistant like

  695. the um,

  696. [clears throat] what's the Amazon one

  697. called again? The Amazon hardware.

  698. >> Alexa.

  699. >> Alexa, right? So he wanted to put like

  700. agents his agent on Alexa or on the on

  701. the on the Google kind like hardware and

  702. couldn't do it. So, um, and so he had

  703. Astraat teach him how to build his own,

  704. um, speaker, like smart speaker, so he

  705. could build a smart speaker from

  706. scratch, uh, and so he could install,

  707. uh, his own like a gen into it and so he

  708. could just talk to it, right? And and

  709. and but but this is cool because I mean,

  710. um, they're starting to get there.

  711. They're starting to open up these

  712. devices. Um, so with MCP access now, it

  713. means you can be pretty much have an

  714. agent um, use tools and you know, maybe

  715. you can send them stuff to play on

  716. there. You can have them control like

  717. things. So, we're getting there. I

  718. probably get to a place where I mean, I

  719. don't think we'll ever get to a place

  720. where they would let you load your own

  721. agent. They have their own agent and let

  722. you access it through that. But, I think

  723. we're we're kind of like making

  724. progress. I think that's pretty much it

  725. for me this week. Um, there are a few

  726. other like interesting things that

  727. happened. um Anthropic um followed um

  728. cursor uh launched projects. So now you

  729. can you have projects um and you can

  730. talk to one agent and then he manages a

  731. bunch of sub agents um and um yeah I

  732. think that's it for me and take it. Oh I

  733. know I know something super exciting to

  734. kind like mention um I mean two okay two

  735. I mean OpenAI have actually been on the

  736. news this week um quite quite more than

  737. they should. Um, OpenAI obviously

  738. released like a lot more like

  739. documentation on a lot more kind like

  740. hacks um and and and stuff and the

  741. framework for reporting new hacks. Um,

  742. Anthropic two news from Anthropic today,

  743. right? Um, one is what I was just

  744. telling Andy just before the show

  745. started. Finally, Anthropic is going to

  746. do agents. MD. So, you no longer have to

  747. use clot. MD. Um, I think starting from

  748. a new version that launched today. Um, I

  749. mean people have been like um talking

  750. about it with them. was like, "Why don't

  751. you just use the same standard as

  752. everybody else? Why do you think you're

  753. special? That you shouldn't do that." Um

  754. so I think today they they finally um ti

  755. just announced it a few minutes ago that

  756. now going [clears throat] forward like

  757. agents empty, you can use agents empty.

  758. Um and then a much more scary news which

  759. again I don't think I mentioned to Andy

  760. um but I I just saw that um it was just

  761. announced that Anthropic started quietly

  762. started a lab. So they have a a biolab

  763. and they're trying to make um Yeah. So

  764. that's the thing I saw. Um

  765. um so yeah. So

  766. >> making a bolab.

  767. >> Yeah. So that's been um so that's super

  768. super scary, right? It's like super

  769. scary, right? So everybody kind

  770. like I know in the community and they're

  771. like they're like no man. Like um so

  772. yeah. So

  773. >> yeah, man.

  774. >> Warning us that AI is going to kill us

  775. all.

  776. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's

  777. um I mean those things tend to be you

  778. know Elon always jokes about it right

  779. that people tend to kind of like be like

  780. opposite of what they so yeah so I think

  781. that this is actually I mean obviously

  782. I'm the I'm the I'm the don't regulate

  783. just chill because there's enough

  784. regulation right now but I think for

  785. this one I think it's actually they

  786. should probably stop them right because

  787. I mean um these guys are uh I said it in

  788. the group one of the groups I'm in right

  789. these guys have the highest speed doom

  790. um of any company or any org um and

  791. they're definitely not the right people

  792. that you want to like be getting close I

  793. mean sure make software right make

  794. software make AI that's fine that's far

  795. from like the real world but like when

  796. they start getting close to like giving

  797. like models access to like bio equipment

  798. then we then we know that like like

  799. yeah someone cuz man all the risk we're

  800. talking about like AI AI AI only those

  801. labs have enough computing

  802. damage right

  803. >> exactly right the other like hugging

  804. face and me and you can't do it. We

  805. don't have like enough compute to like

  806. send a,000 agents to hack someone,

  807. right? We don't have 10,000. We don't

  808. have enough comput like send 10,000

  809. agents to do any work, right? Those

  810. things cost like millions. Like um so

  811. yeah, but but the labs do. Um and so

  812. yeah, so when you have a lab um start

  813. playing with bioweapons or start playing

  814. with trying to make drugs, no no guys

  815. are going to now I can see

  816. happening and heating [laughter] the

  817. >> Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully they're not just

  818. trying to make their claims true.

  819. >> Yeah. So that's it for me guys. Cheers.

  820. >> Yeah. [snorts] Hey Henry, thanks for

  821. that. It's uh good overview. Interesting

  822. conversation on a somewhat boring week,

  823. but it's interesting that uh even when

  824. it's boring, it's not that bad. Um look,

  825. this is my um my signal from the

  826. outside. I am

  827. I don't know if I need to apologize for

  828. it up front. This is not what we you

  829. typically do. Usually we'll focus on

  830. videos that are um really relevant to

  831. Agentic AI uh builders, right? That's

  832. our community. Um that's Henry and I and

  833. that's um hopefully very many of you.

  834. But the news this week was discouraging

  835. enough and I I even found myself in a

  836. couple conversations where I didn't have

  837. some answers that I wish I had had um

  838. against sort of people watching the

  839. news. So, I thought I would put together

  840. a little bit of an aggregate of a

  841. handful of stories. Um, so this is the

  842. signal from the outside. Uh, like I

  843. said, it's been a heavy week. If you've

  844. had the news on, you've heard Swarm or

  845. Botnet or Take Over the Internet more

  846. times than you'd like. And they're real

  847. questions and serious people are working

  848. on them. Um, I don't want to wave that

  849. away, but this week, two very different

  850. people pushed back on that fear and they

  851. ended up in the same place.

  852. uh one is the most important supplier in

  853. all of AI and the other is a finance

  854. writer with nothing to sell whatsoever.

  855. So I want to start with them and then

  856. spend the rest of the segment on what AI

  857. is already doing for the people outside

  858. this room and I'm hopeful that it will

  859. provide some perspective um for our

  860. conversations with those people. Right

  861. on Monday, Jensen Hang sat down at the

  862. all-in summit. He was asked about the

  863. week's essays and the push from the

  864. frontier labs to slow down. He started

  865. by saying safety is paramount and has to

  866. be taken seriously, but also that safety

  867. versus leadership is a false choice and

  868. that you can move fast and do it safely.

  869. And then he went after the forecasts. Um

  870. his case was track record. He used

  871. radiology as the example. Of course we

  872. all know years ago uh the prediction was

  873. that AI would take over radiology and

  874. there would be no radiologists left. Um

  875. what he said literally was uh that has

  876. proven to be exactly the opposite. Now

  877. we need more radiologists than ever. And

  878. in the same breath AI now does a huge

  879. share of the scan reading which he calls

  880. great. So the work changed the people

  881. are still needed and the patients get

  882. read faster.

  883. That's kind of a net positive. It's not

  884. like we have a bunch of unemployed

  885. radiologists.

  886. So he ran through the list, right? Most

  887. code written by a AI within months, half

  888. of entry-level jobs gone, models too

  889. dangerous to release. His view is that

  890. those predictions haven't held up, and

  891. that somebody should be keeping score.

  892. You can take or leave Jensen's position

  893. on policy, and plenty of people in this

  894. server will disagree with him, but the

  895. radiology point is worth keeping because

  896. it's the pattern for the rest of the

  897. segment, and it seems to be the pattern

  898. for the track record of AI. The second

  899. voice is Morgan Hel, who writes about

  900. money and behavior. Last Friday, he put

  901. out an episode called AI optimism and

  902. the agony of waiting, and his point is

  903. about us, not the technology. what

  904. you're dreading. When you're dreading

  905. something, he says, your mind is a very

  906. proficient storyteller. It fills in

  907. every question mark with the worst

  908. ending. And what you can't picture at

  909. all is the ordinary useful stuff that

  910. happens all the time. He offers one

  911. forecast and says it's the only one

  912. he'll make. I think it's a little

  913. conservative. He says, "10 years from

  914. now, the likely story of AI is pretty

  915. mundane. a lot of jobs get 20 or 30%

  916. more productive and the gains go into

  917. growth, wages, and cheaper products and

  918. life will go on. He brings up the late

  919. '9s.

  920. Uh, if you remember the late '9s, people

  921. were sure the internet would wipe out

  922. retail jobs. He points out that there

  923. are more retail workers today than there

  924. were then. And two of the biggest

  925. business successes of the last 25 years

  926. are Costco and Walmart. Of course, they

  927. both have online presence, but those

  928. facilities are open. You can go to a

  929. Walmart 247 in most cities.

  930. That's Jensen's radiologist again. The

  931. work gets better and the people are

  932. still here. Carrie Herrell uh Harrell, I

  933. I assume um Casey Harrell is an

  934. environmental advocate in California

  935. with ALS. By the time he joined a study

  936. at UC Davis, his speech was very hard to

  937. understand. Surgeons implanted small

  938. electrode arrays in the speech areas of

  939. his brain. When Casey tries to talk,

  940. those neurons still fire. AI models

  941. decode the patterns into words, and the

  942. software speaks them in a voice rebuilt

  943. from recordings of Casey before he got

  944. sick. It sounds like him, and the first

  945. time it worked, he was talking to his

  946. family within minutes. In June, the team

  947. published two years of results in Nature

  948. Medicine. more than 3,800 hours of use,

  949. close to two million words at about 56

  950. words a minute, and 99% word accuracy in

  951. testing. It runs at home, operated by

  952. his own care team with no researchers in

  953. the room. He's back at work full-time.

  954. In a UC Davis video last week, the

  955. researcher calls him the ultimate power

  956. user. That's the bar for an agent. It's

  957. not a demo that works while you watch

  958. it. It's thousands of hours unattended

  959. for someone who depends on it. The

  960. second story is the most us of the

  961. three. Um, one disclosure, it does come

  962. from a video that OpenAI produced and so

  963. it's partly marketing.

  964. Uh, Ryan Honory built a heat detector

  965. for his fifth grade science fair.

  966. He kept it going for years and it became

  967. sensory AI, a network of sensors in the

  968. hills above Lagona Beach that try to

  969. catch wildfires before they ignite. The

  970. sensors detect a language model turns

  971. messy readings into a plane alert. Ryan

  972. built a walkie-talkie interface so a

  973. firefighter can hold down the button and

  974. say, "Why do you think this is a fire?

  975. What are the GPS coordinates?" In the

  976. video, he also has it schedule a sensor

  977. test every morning at sunrise.

  978. Sensors, a model that translates, a

  979. scheduled task, a voice interface, a

  980. human who decides whether to roll a

  981. truck. That's the agent stack pointed at

  982. the ridge line instead of an inbox. As

  983. one of the fire officials in the video

  984. says, "If a fire gets large, it's

  985. unstoppable. Catching it at ignition is

  986. the whole game, and minutes matter."

  987. The third is the biggest in scale. The

  988. source of course is Google DeepMind and

  989. they're describing their own model. So

  990. take that as you will. Last October,

  991. Hurricane Melissa hit Jamaica as a

  992. category 5. On a podcast last week, pet

  993. uh Deep Minds Peter Betiglia said that

  994. almost a week before landfall, their

  995. model became confident that the storm

  996. would reach category 5 and it was barely

  997. a tropical depression. The model didn't

  998. issue the warning. The hurricane center

  999. did. Their forecasters weigh a lot of

  1000. inputs. Traditional physics models,

  1001. newer models, their own observations. By

  1002. particularly his account, the center

  1003. told him uh the center told them the

  1004. model's confidence raised their own

  1005. confidence, but it didn't change all of

  1006. their math. They made the category 5

  1007. call 3 days out, which he says was the

  1008. weakest storm they'd ever forecast to

  1009. reach that level. Melissa was truly

  1010. devastating, but three days of warning

  1011. means evacuations and preparation.

  1012. Same pattern as the radiologists. The

  1013. model was just one strong input, and the

  1014. humans with the authority made the

  1015. better call earlier because of it.

  1016. Here's what the good news looks like

  1017. this week. A man with ALS talks to his

  1018. family in his own voice and goes back to

  1019. work. A teenager sensor network watches

  1020. a hillside and answers firefighters

  1021. questions over the radio. forecasters

  1022. get three days of warning on a monster

  1023. storm. None of these is a takeover.

  1024. They're mundane in the best sense, like

  1025. Jensen's radiologists. Each one is a

  1026. model doing a narrow job well inside a

  1027. system built around people. And the

  1028. human stays in charge of the decisions

  1029. that matter. That's the same thing most

  1030. of us are building. Our agent that files

  1031. tickets or triages our inbox or watches

  1032. our logs at 3:00 a.m. isn't going to

  1033. make the evening news. But if households

  1034. right, the real story of the decade is

  1035. millions of builds like ours, each

  1036. making someone's work quote 20 or 30%

  1037. better. The fear is loud this week, so

  1038. keep building the boring good stuff. And

  1039. that's the signal from outside.

  1040. >> Thanks.

  1041. >> I mean, it might be worth it.

  1042. >> It's worth saying.

  1043. >> No, I mean, I think I think I think it's

  1044. good to like getting to the habit. I

  1045. mean um this even if um I mean we don't

  1046. have a lot of um I mean the community is

  1047. growing. I think cumulatively if you add

  1048. all the channels maybe we get like 200

  1049. views a week or something like that or

  1050. something someone would hear it. It is

  1051. valuable. No no of 200. I mean Jim was

  1052. telling us that the Chinese platform

  1053. gets close to 100. So so yeah you could

  1054. say maybe 200 300 right when you can

  1055. like piece up Twitter and all the other

  1056. places. Yeah.

  1057. >> Um so it's valuable right? We need to

  1058. and obviously um we just like mentioned

  1059. it and we'll probably do a proper launch

  1060. sometime um but Bandandy and I were

  1061. talking about this um yesterday and it

  1062. was an idea I had for for a few weeks

  1063. now not going into months. Yeah. Start

  1064. to talk about a bit of um you know

  1065. optimism, right? There's just a lot of

  1066. [clears throat] doom out there and

  1067. nobody's telling the story that Andy

  1068. just stored and we decided to put

  1069. together a thing and so we've got a

  1070. website and we share with you guys super

  1071. soon. We put the domain yesterday and

  1072. and we've put out um um we've put up the

  1073. uh the select uh gender and and it's

  1074. just been hey let's tell the optimistic

  1075. stories right let's let's get people

  1076. excited about like cuz AI has been a net

  1077. massive net positive in my life it has

  1078. been for Andy's I mean this whole

  1079. podcast is basically run by agents right

  1080. like if we didn't have the agents and we

  1081. couldn't be doing this right like it's

  1082. just a lot of work we've got many

  1083. businesses to be running nobody has time

  1084. but so the normal people would could be

  1085. empowered, right? So, um, so instead of

  1086. listening to all this from

  1087. people who are trying to capture power

  1088. and then making you think, hey, this

  1089. isn't, you know, no, it's it's so yeah,

  1090. so I'm I'm excited about it and um

  1091. hopefully we can we can change some of

  1092. the narrative at least we can help

  1093. people be um get value out of this

  1094. rather than be scared of it.

  1095. >> Thanks, Henry. Appreciate that.

  1096. >> Well,

  1097. we've got one more segment. Um, this is

  1098. our hot take.

  1099. Um,

  1100. safety needs an umpire. Who pays the

  1101. umpire? And and frankly, who chooses the

  1102. umpire? Um, I drove draw drew the short

  1103. straw and um we'll be making the case

  1104. for um regulation. Uh it's hard

  1105. sometimes to steal man some of these

  1106. arguments, but uh we'll do the best that

  1107. we can. Henry, um should we be pacing

  1108. the frontier?

  1109. Yeah. Um let's see. Um

  1110. um so yeah, so Amod asks for a slower

  1111. capability gains. Um and permanent

  1112. independent evaluators um [snorts] with

  1113. employee like access. I mean guys, we

  1114. talked about this um I talked about this

  1115. the show was starting. Um so Amad wrote

  1116. a wrote a piece um that you can see

  1117. there pacing the frontier. Um so I mean

  1118. his pieces are always super long. Um but

  1119. he's basically talking about a bunch of

  1120. things but one of them is hey let's slow

  1121. down and one of the arguments one of the

  1122. ideas is let's add um it's like third

  1123. party evaluators into it. Um

  1124. um I mean I have a few issues with so

  1125. like the the thing but picking your

  1126. umpire if I can like steal mine just

  1127. talk a little bit about what my agent

  1128. wants to talk about here and then I'll

  1129. talk about a few more things beyond

  1130. these. Um so so Daria said hey listen

  1131. let's add third party evaluators

  1132. um and then he mentions one one company

  1133. Mita right um unfortunately or

  1134. fortunately unfortunately for us

  1135. fortunately for them

  1136. is run from the same like effective

  1137. altruist group it's the same like people

  1138. um people who found their media are

  1139. basically ex kind

  1140. people just within the same ancestral

  1141. cycles right so they think exactly

  1142. alike. Um [clears throat] and so yeah,

  1143. so I mean people just people who are

  1144. smarter than me just think that hey if

  1145. you want to have a third party um

  1146. evaluator should be somebody who isn't

  1147. like you or not somebody who thinks like

  1148. you not somebody who you grab a drink

  1149. with every evening right so it should be

  1150. people who are totally different um

  1151. probably different ideology um so

  1152. [clears throat]

  1153. um so that's for me I would say I agree

  1154. we should you know audits are good every

  1155. company gets um if you're a company um

  1156. you get audited by by kind like an

  1157. auditor, right? Um and we know when your

  1158. friend audits you, then he can help you

  1159. sweep sweep sweep the some of the

  1160. numbers, you know, under the carpet,

  1161. right? It's like, hey, oh, you didn't do

  1162. this, though. It's all right. It's all

  1163. right. You know, I know how to I know

  1164. how to get you. So, yeah. So um um so on

  1165. that one I I definitely think that if we

  1166. really want if I agree um Enon actually

  1167. has a twist to this um which was um that

  1168. every company um should test the other

  1169. company's um model before launch. So um

  1170. so instead of having a third party

  1171. >> yeah instead of having a third party I

  1172. mean third parties you know

  1173. [clears throat] don't have as much skin

  1174. in the game but have open AI so when

  1175. anthropic is about to launch a model

  1176. provide API access of that model to all

  1177. the frontier companies and even the

  1178. Chinese and so let them test

  1179. [clears throat] it with their test

  1180. harness and report to the government to

  1181. say this is high risk we don't want and

  1182. so if there six or seven companies or

  1183. you know in the test and seven of them

  1184. say, "Hey, this is not good. Let's not

  1185. let's not put this out, right?" Then

  1186. they should be sort of the government

  1187. should um probably listen. Um but if

  1188. it's just one person saying, "No, not

  1189. really." Like then like the other seven

  1190. are like it's fine, you know? So that's

  1191. Elon's idea um of how this should

  1192. happen.

  1193. What else is there to kind of like

  1194. mention around safety? Um um so

  1195. obviously my main point is really um the

  1196. MIA shouldn't be the company testing

  1197. anthropic and open AI's work. It's

  1198. basically from the same like the guy who

  1199. complained about anthropic and open air

  1200. just joined me. That's a joke, right?

  1201. It's like what are you talking about?

  1202. Like it's it's it's your friend and

  1203. family. Um

  1204. >> it's it's the 1970s FDA all over again.

  1205. >> Oh yeah. Is that what used to happen

  1206. then?

  1207. >> Oh, it still happens today. Yeah. You

  1208. come out of industry and go into the

  1209. FDA. You leave the FDA and go back into

  1210. a different company and come back around

  1211. and

  1212. >> Yeah.

  1213. >> Yeah.

  1214. >> Yeah.

  1215. >> Yeah. That's what happened with skim

  1216. milk and margarine.

  1217. Yeah. Um, so but but but okay, cool.

  1218. Then the final point I wanted to make

  1219. here, I was going to talk about it, but

  1220. because it's the show, let me talk about

  1221. this segment. Um, so there's all this

  1222. and obviously I know people who are

  1223. going to listen to this and say, "Hey,

  1224. Henry, but are you saying that the

  1225. safety isn't important, that this guy

  1226. shouldn't get regulated?" That's not

  1227. what I'm saying. What I'm saying is

  1228. there is nothing that is happening with

  1229. this companies that there isn't a law

  1230. for, right? Um, there's already a law

  1231. for if you cause harm with your

  1232. products, there's a law for it. like you

  1233. you're held liable. There's their

  1234. liability kind like policies, right? You

  1235. don't need to make a new regulation for

  1236. AI. Like AI is just a product.

  1237. >> Hugging face didn't sue Open AI, but

  1238. they could have.

  1239. >> They should sue. I I tweeted about this

  1240. a couple of times this week and I put it

  1241. in the community like where's the

  1242. lawsuit?

  1243. Please sue Open AI cuz like OpenAI

  1244. hacked you. Like that's what it is. Um

  1245. so because um I mean we have this

  1246. safety alignment positioning

  1247. that this companies have is like oh a

  1248. model did this what are you talking

  1249. about like

  1250. and there's news that came out actually

  1251. Andy I'm not sure if you saw this but

  1252. there's more kind like opinion pieces

  1253. that came out about the open air hack

  1254. and and the guy was talking about that

  1255. basically open air turned off the safety

  1256. in the model they turned off um the

  1257. sandboxes like they turned things off to

  1258. make the model go crazy and he went

  1259. crazy and stuff happened, right? So, um

  1260. but yeah, but that's my that's my piece

  1261. on the on the safety thing.

  1262. >> Yeah, I mean

  1263. I I don't even know I mean you can read

  1264. the slides. I [laughter] I don't I don't

  1265. I don't think I don't think metering the

  1266. frontier um within the US knowing full

  1267. well what's happening uh overseas I mean

  1268. if it's important if it's important that

  1269. we be at the at the cutting edge of the

  1270. frontier when AGI is achieved if you can

  1271. even you know decide on some of such a

  1272. thing um

  1273. pacing the frontier is not going

  1274. is not going to put us ahead in that

  1275. particular battle. And there's a there's

  1276. a lot there's a lot of uncertainty as to

  1277. whether or not the Chinese

  1278. will or won't be dangerous with um AGI.

  1279. I mean, coming out of the the technology

  1280. centers in China, we're not seeing the

  1281. um

  1282. stereotypical

  1283. um

  1284. perspectives on um taking over the

  1285. world. You know, we're seeing generous

  1286. um and thoughtful technologists

  1287. uh leading the way in ways that we are

  1288. not. I mean uh improving models,

  1289. improving small models to compete um you

  1290. know with absolutely massive models and

  1291. then giving them away. Um you know the

  1292. the labs in China are not rolling in

  1293. money like the labs in the US are. It's

  1294. it it is a very different much leaner

  1295. advancement and and yet they are

  1296. continuing to make substantial

  1297. advancements. the the Techseek 4

  1298. >> and uh 4 Pro and Flash when those models

  1299. came out

  1300. >> um they were ahead of the game in in

  1301. major ways and and the tuning and and

  1302. advancements they've made since then are

  1303. substantial.

  1304. Um you know Quinn 3.8 27B to compete

  1305. with Opus 4.6 and 4.7 man when OpenClaw

  1306. came out Opus 4.7 was the bomb. I mean

  1307. you could you could take over the world

  1308. with openclaw and opus 4.7 and then when

  1309. anthropic cut us off it was the end of

  1310. the world

  1311. >> cuz we couldn't use this model that

  1312. works so well with our platform

  1313. >> and now we can run it um with bonsai

  1314. equivalently we can run it on our own

  1315. equipment at the same level. It's just

  1316. >> I don't

  1317. >> you know what you know what people you

  1318. know what people you know what people

  1319. say one of the reasons you're not

  1320. hearing this from China is cuz the

  1321. people the companies know that the

  1322. government will hold them accountable

  1323. like if anything happens like the

  1324. government of China the the CCP will

  1325. hold you accountable right so the

  1326. Americans um yeah they're like oh you

  1327. know sure give us liability protection

  1328. and we're going to be the what are you

  1329. talking about like um um what's this

  1330. yeah So, I mean, this is one of the

  1331. reasons that if you're asking a Kuwa and

  1332. the Chinese going crazy is because the

  1333. government will hold you liable. Um, as

  1334. a matter of fact, one of the one of the

  1335. things these companies and Cap was on

  1336. the news this week, um, Andy Andy Cap is

  1337. the volunteer guy. Um, and he's saying

  1338. that people don't understand this, but

  1339. what why these labs are super scared is

  1340. cuz not only are they going to get sued

  1341. by people in the future because they've

  1342. come out to say our models are

  1343. dangerous, our models are going to cause

  1344. harm. So of course if there's any harm

  1345. and over the next few years people will

  1346. sue open an entropic you will be sued to

  1347. the ground number one. Number two,

  1348. because there's a lot of speculation

  1349. right now that a lot of all the data,

  1350. even though they tell you that, oh,

  1351. they're not training with your data,

  1352. it's possible that some of the data is

  1353. getting into the training, right? And if

  1354. that happened, that is huge business

  1355. liability. Like businesses are going to

  1356. sue this companies to the ground because

  1357. you used my data when you shouldn't use

  1358. them. And so cops s conspiracy is that

  1359. the companies just want to get

  1360. nationalized like especially anthropic

  1361. wants to get nationalized because they

  1362. understand that the liability that they

  1363. are sitting in front of is so huge that

  1364. the only way any company is going to

  1365. survive this is if they are

  1366. nationalized. So this is I mean I

  1367. watched like a 30 minute you know his

  1368. his speedy kind like high energy. So, he

  1369. was like, "Hi, I need you 30 minutes on

  1370. on one of the news channels, like giving

  1371. his own spill on on these things."

  1372. Anyways,

  1373. >> all right, let's wrap it up.

  1374. >> Oh, good. Let's do That's not what I

  1375. wanted to do. That's what happened on my

  1376. other screen, too. There we go. Hey,

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  1386. And that's it. We'll see you next

  1387. Friday. Um, we'll be looking for

  1388. we'll be looking for um to see who that

  1389. shadow model was, the stealth model.

  1390. >> And you do alpha.

  1391. >> Yeah. Yep. And whether

  1392. people use any of these new tools. Yeah,

  1393. next week might be more interesting than

  1394. this week. Let's let's see what comes

  1395. out of Jev. Give Jev one week and uh

  1396. >> I think we'll have

  1397. >> It's interesting. Maybe Jeb should um

  1398. mediate the models, the model releases.

  1399. [snorts]

  1400. [laughter]

  1401. >> Probability. Probability. Are you high

  1402. risk? Are you low risk? Are you going to

  1403. kill us all? Okay. [laughter]

  1404. >> Awesome.

  1405. >> Crazy, bro. All right, man. All right,

  1406. guys.

  1407. >> Well, yeah, the the slides uh the we

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  1409. The link is in the slides or

  1410. weeklyclaw.ai where you can find slides

  1411. um and notes and previous episodes.

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  1413. to join our community. We'll be working

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  1417. the ride. Have a great week.

  1418. Have a great week, guys. Cheers.

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